Kettering Foundation Senior Fellows David Pepper and Alexander Vindman spoke with Kettering chief external affairs officer and director of DC operations Brad Rourke about Project 2025, the controversial Heritage Foundation plan to reshape American democracy. Pepper and Vindman unpack the dangers and profound changes this blueprint poses, including threats to the rule of law, civil service integrity, and military loyalty. This eye-opening conversation explores the potential future of US governance and the values at stake.

This conversation was filmed on July 10 before the assassination attempt of former President Trump. The Charles F. Kettering Foundation condemns political violence. Such acts work against a healthy, inclusive democracy, and we must work toward a future where everyone can engage in the democratic process without fear.